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Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 30 Jun 93       Volume 11 : Issue 132

Today's Topics:

      !DOs question...
      [Q] MacTCP in England -- how to get it?
      Acclerating an SE Yet again .. :)
      Centris and DECnet
      Color Exceptions
      FileMaker Pro Query
      Flip-flop button
      Floatfixer, what is this reappearing startup application (Q)
      Help! Need to modify aliases to point to new volume (Q)
      HP Laserjet 4
      I-M CD-ROM (C)
      I-M Sexual Harassment (?)
      IIx not starting solved
      Inside Mac Books (C)
      JPark OS
      LW 8.0 and command key shortcuts?
      MacPPP v1.1.1
      MacTCP 1.1.1
      Microsoft focus (C)
      PageMaker4.2 timesaving tip
      Pecking order of the current macs (A)
      Photoshop & Photo Cd
      PixMap help...
      PostScript docs
      Powerbook 145b (a) (2 msgs)
      Re-Installing MacTCP (Q)
      Riccardo Ettore
      Snippet from usenet re: Centris and Quadra 'av'
      Thank you - Powerbook 145b (As)
      That D**m MS Word again...(gripe)
      Think twice before buying LaCie.
      Where's MacTCP 1.1.1 ?
      Word 5.1a: problem with styles (A)
      XLisp-Stat question

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 23:14:15 -0500
From: oehler@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Wonko the Sane)
Subject: !DOs question...

Does anyone know how I can contact the author of the Bang-DOS CLI
application?
I would like to know if his source code is available.  While the idea of a
CLI on the mac is, of course, absurd, I would like to incorporate some of
those ideas into a personal programming project/devlopment utility (assuming
I can get my appleevent act together sometime in the near future!)

Thanks.

Eric Oehler
oehler@yar.cs.wisc.edu

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:00:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Charlie Stross <charless@sco.COM>
Subject: [Q] MacTCP in England -- how to get it?

Okay, I give in. This is weird; maybe you lot can help.

I'm looking for a fresh copy of MacTCP. Lo, verily and forsooth,
I've been using Eudora and the copy of MacTCP 1.1 licensed for
use with it. This is no longer sufficient. I need MacTCP 1.1.1
or better for use with the WWW client for the Mac, according
to the documentation.

Where is MacTCP?

Now, I should add that I'm based in the UK, not the US, so a
certain level of difficulty is to be expected. Still: I started
by phoning MacWarehouse. They'd never heard of it. Hints that it
had been available from ADPA, had recently had its name changed
to something like TCP Connection for Mac, etcetera, rang no bells.
So the next step was to phone Apple. Apple (UK) are clueless. The
best they could do was point me at a dealer who was selling a
commercial telnet package which came bundled with MacTCP. _They_
were confused, too. Nobody seems to know how in hell you're
supposed to get hold of MacTCP in England.

Okay. Any advice is now solicited. I want to get hold of a recent
copy of MacTCP, as legally as possible, as long as it can be done
for not _too_ much money. (This is coming out of my own pocket.)
How do I do it? What product code do I need, where can it be ordered?
If it can't be obtained for love or money in Europe, are there any
dealers in the US who (a) stock it, and (b) will ship it overseas?
How much does it cost? And what's the latest version -- 1.1.1 or 2.0?

Answers on the back of a postcard, please. Enquiring minds want to
know.

-- Charlie


 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charlie Stross is charless@scol.sco.com, charlie@antipope.demon.co.uk




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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 18:32:26 PDT
From: Kevin Purcell (Rho) <a-kevinp@microsoft.com>
Subject: Acclerating an SE Yet again .. :)

Recently I got a cheap SE that I was thinking about accelerating if I
could do it for a low cost, but I also may buy a Centris or LC III. I
still like the Classic style Macs -- they are easier to transport than
the component Macs, and my wife could still use it.

OK, enough jabbering. Both MacUser and MacWorld had accelerator reviews
in the same month! Also the prices dropped dramatically between
starting the write up and doing the publication. Seems like the new Mac
models and price reductions from Motorola helped.

After looking at the models I though the Applied Engineering (AE)
accelerators look pretty good. There are four for the SE:

1a. TransWarp SE 25Mhz -- 68030, 32 bits SIMMs on the card, w/FPU $185
1b. TransWarp SE 25Mhz -- 68030, 32 bits SIMMs on the card, w/FPU $309
1a. TransWarp SE 40Mhz -- 68030, 32 bits SIMMs on the card, FPU socket $259
1b. TransWarp SE 40Mhz -- 68030, 32 bits SIMMs on the card, w/FPU $389

The 40Mhz has two versions. One has 128K cache the other doesn't. The
cached models cost another $110.

Prices from Mac&PC USA 800 392 5818 (anyone have good/bad experiences
with these people?). LLB in Bellevue, WA (800 848 8967) also have good
prices but for me in Seattle add 8.2% sales tax.

If anyone is using any of these I'd like to hear your comments,
especially regarding speed/price ratio.

Another good choice seems to be the Daystar Universal PowerCache. For
my application its too expensive.

Kevin Purcell
a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Co-chair of Seattle Mac dBug Developer's SIG
"Just cmd/Z it"

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Date: 30 Jun 1993 13:35:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Howard Ramagli <RAMAGLI@lfmail.lfc.edu>
Subject: Centris and DECnet

We are having a problem getting a Centris 610 using the built-in ethernet port
to talk DECnet.  It will talk EtherTalk and TCP/IP just fine.  The Centris is
connected via 10baseT to a DECrepeater on a DECHub.  Any help or suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.

Howard J. Ramagli
Director, Information Services and Technology
Lake Forest College
INTERNET:  ramagli@lfmail.lfc.edu   APPLELINK:ramagli.h

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 17:42:28 EDT
From: flypba@aol.com
Subject: Color Exceptions

Hi there...

I was wondering if anyone has made/heard of a Control Panel which you can set
different screen depths for different programs...much like the CDEVs which
will automatically turn off the 68040 caches for incompatable programs.

The reason why I ask, is because I have a lot of software which will not run
unless you set the monitor bit depth to a certain value (usually 16 colors or
256 colors).  So, if there was a Control Panel that would automatically reset
the monitor's colors when you launched the application, it would save a lot
of time, etc...

Please respond to me @   FlyPBA@AOL.COM

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 16:35:09 -0500
From: monty-hampton@uokhsc.edu (Monty Hampton)
Subject: FileMaker Pro Query

Anyone know how to select a default entry from a pop-up list (field) in FMP
without writing a script. I'd be much obliged for any advice - including
the details of any script (just thought there might be a simpler way).
Please post or feel free to respond directly. Thanks. BTW - is there a FMP
newsgroup or listserv?

Monty
E.M. Hampton, OUHSC College of Pharmacy & OKC DVAMC
921 NE 13th Street,Oklahoma City, OK 73104 (405) 270-1549
monty-hampton@uokhsc.edu

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 10:46:31 CDT
From: Mack Willingham <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Flip-flop button

Hello out there,
		I need to know if there is a way that I can write a script
for a button that will create a flip-flop button.....i.e. on-off.  The butt
will have a name like off....then when the user clicks on it, the name will
change to on.  I could just have the icon of the button change, but would
rather keep the same button, and change the name.


TIA
Mack

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 12:54:29 -0500
From: psheldon@utdallas.edu
Subject: Floatfixer, what is this reappearing startup application (Q)

   I keep on deleting this file that won't run under sys 7.1.
I don't know where it comes from. It keeps on reappearing in the
startup folder to give me an annoying message on startup.
I tried changing its type to its creator from appl, that way it woulnd't know
enough to run and fail to and send me an error dialogue box.
Now it tells me it can't find its creator. Bugger. Any answers
out there?
   It is a zero k file that has to keep telling me it is confused
and ask for my OK. I can't boot up as I leave the room as it will
hold things up.
   Help me with this one, please.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 17:03:53 EST
From: Scott Traurig <traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com>
Subject: Help! Need to modify aliases to point to new volume (Q)

Hi Everyone,

	I had to move all my files to another server volume.  Unfortunately, I
have a folder containing around 25 aliases that reference memos by using a
reference number as their name. The actual memos (WordPerfect files) are
spread
around many folders and have descriptive names.  My file structure and path
names are exactly the same except for the server name and volume.

	Is there any way to modify the aliases (with ResEdit or something)
	that
would allow my to change the server and volume name in the path they
reference?
This is very important to me, since it is highly unlikely that I will be able
to recreate this collection of aliases any other way.

			Thanks,
				Scott (traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 23:13:21 EDT
From: Michel Lefrancois <4107LEFR@VM1.ulaval.ca>
Subject: HP Laserjet 4

Is it possible to use the HP Laserjet 4 printer with a Mac without
adding a Mac interface? Any good suggestions (e.g. GDT PowerPrint)?

Michel Lefrancois
Agriculture Canada
Departement des sciences animales
Universite Laval
4107LEFR@vm1.ulaval.ca

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 22:40:59 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: I-M CD-ROM (C)

Folks, this is a shameless plug in favor of the Info-Mac CD-ROM (II) from
Pacific HiTech. I didn't order the first version (last year's), and it
was with a bit of trepidation that I ordered the new one from Cliff this
month. I mean, why get a static CD-ROM when I have access to the latest
and greatest in real time? I justified it for Goodwife Bloom. Leslye is
pretty much alone with her Mac, and she has no access to the goodies at
sumex-aim. I figured she'd find the thing useful. And I could page thru
the thing at my leisure, seeing what stuff is there, without hogging the
internet connection.

Leslye has indeed found I-M useful (Gee, what a surprise!) and decided
to copy all the graphics images to a 3.5" M/O disk, so she can tell the
Color It! program to make each image's icon a thumbnail of the picture.
Makes it easy to see what's there without opening the file. I wouldn't
have thought of that. And I really truly hope that 3.5" M/O disk prices
come down soon. Leslye's great ideas for them are killing me. But I
digress.

I had mostly done what I thought I'd do -- check out odd programs and
extensions that I wouldn't otherwise have taken the time to download. But
today those fine folk at Tech's network services decided to knock down
ethernet in our building for an hour to swap out equipment, I had the I-M
CD-ROM in the office, and I did some further exploring. Yes, I knew the
disc has On Location indices. I don't have On Location. I may get it. But
the marvelously exciting thing was finding EasyView indices for the I-M
digests. Here was something on the CD-ROM that I could not get from my
fairly vanilla internet access. Well I could, but I've never gone to the
bother. If for no other reason than HD space is limited, and I don't keep
the stuff. Certainly not a year's worth.

EasyView is magic. It makes scanning the I-M digests (thru Apr 93) a joy.
Three windows. Top left is each issue of I-M. Top right is the table of
contents for the issue hilited in upper left. Bottom is the article that
corresponds to the hilited entry in the upper right. Oh wow! And there is
a "search" function (unfortunately case sensitive) built in. I do believe
I've died and gone to heaven. As far as I'm concerned, that feature alone
is worth the fifty bucks for the CD-ROM.

EasyView indices are also available for Adam Engst's "Tidbits" and for
Murph Sewall's late and very lamented "Vaporware."

Now if I can get the thing away from Leslye...

All told, Cliff did good. All the sumex-aim files are expanded. You don't
need anything but a CD-ROM drive to use them. I'm sometimes frustrated by
the direct result of that expansion. Each sumex-aim file is pretty much a
folder on the CD-ROM -- all the files in the original hqx (which may be a
grand total of one) plus the accompanying abstract (whatever the file's
submitter cared to say about it at the time). It can be a bit of a bore,
opening the folder, then opening the file, then backing up and opening
the next folder. Et cetera. No, I don't know how it could have been done
better.

Nonetheless, let me highly recommend the I-M CD-ROM to y'all. I am truly
impressed. Maybe I'm just easily impressed.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 19:36:36 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: I-M Sexual Harassment (?)

The June 30 "Chronicle of Higher Education" (page A17) has a brief
article saying that women seeking relief from a male-dominated society
will not find it on computer networks. The authors of a recent book from
Chambana (Need I say more?) conclude that "sexual harassment is also
widespread, forcing many women to endure obscenities, personal attacks,
and offensive images circulated in electronic mail." The upshot is "Our
task is clear. We need to create, electronically, a cyberspace of our
own that fosters women's communication and scholarship."

OK, I grant that I'm an n-DWEM (near-Dead White European-derived Male),
so I probably wouldn't recognize sexual harassment if it walked up and
introduced itself. And I grant that I've limited experience in this cold
world. But I am curious. I'd like to ask the women on this forum if they
have seen denigration, sexual harassment, whatever.

Do we need a separate I-M (Women) to foster womens' communication and
scholarship? Or whatever? Gee, I hope not.

I admit to not seeing much merit in the Chambana book, but then I would
not have thought we were much racist, either. I do, however, recall a
Japanese-American last year who objected that MS/Word came up with Nazi
as an alternative to Nisei in spell checking. Or something like that. A
bunch of us kidded him for being silly. Others apparently sent him some
really nasty mail. Had he not copied it to the group, we'd not have
known that there were any brain-dead skinheads among the I-M folk. I am
sad to say that there is no requirement for anything functioning above
the cerebellum in order to subscribe to this list.

Please, women. If you've been subjected to the kind of crap described in
the Chambana book, bring it out in the open. Those people cannot stand
the light of day. Copy their crap back to I-M in toto. It'll go a long
way toward at least shutting them up. If you haven't seen that crap, also
let us know. There is far too much of this "victim" stuff going around,
mostly coming from folk who profit from claiming victimhood.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 20:56:17 -0500
From: spectre@uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: IIx not starting solved

A few weeks ago, I sent a message saying that my IIx woudln't start up.
It turned out to be a dead battery, and so I got a new one from Nite
Owl, those folks that sell the "slide on" batteries for the Apple IIGS
(my pseudo-mom has a GS which is how I got their number). That did the
trick.

Thanks, everyone who helped.

God bless & happy hacking,
				Ian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 13:15:18 +0000
From: hpj@cxa.daresbury.ac.uk
Subject: Inside Mac Books (C)

Someone asked for a summary of the IM books

>>    I am looking for some specific information in Inside Macintosh.  I
>> was wondering if anyone could tell me what the topic of each of the
>> volumes is?

And was told the following...

>From: Govind@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
>Subject: Inside macintosh volumes (A)
>......
>If you don't care about supporting 68000 and 68020 and anything less
>than System 7, volume VI will suffice. (Most of the info in Vols. I-IV
>has been superceeded anyway.)
>Btw, all current info (including Tech. Notes) have now been combined
>into 1 volume, available on-line. The printed version is supposed to be
>out any time now (or may be its been published already).

>Cheers- Shekhar Govind                    govind@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu

I'm sorry but I think you may be getting suspect advice here. Although a
lot of the information in Volumes I to III,such as the file Manager, have
been superceeded. There is still a hell of a lot that hasn't!
For example the chapter on Quickdraw or the resource Manager or the Dialog
Manager or the List Manager in Volume IV. If you want to write Mac programs
and need to do it for system 7.0 too you STILL NEED ALL SIX VOLUMES!
Or you could get the new series which is rationalised into topics.
If you are just starting out then volumes I and IV contain enough to get
you going.


Peter Hardman  hpj@cxa.dl.ac.uk

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 09:04:30 -0400
From: Bill Barnett-Interdepartmental Facilities <barnett@mac2.amnh.org>
Subject: JPark OS

Gregory Jewett writes:

>Just my $0.02 worth.  Anyone watch the credits to figure out who/what did
>the major computer animation and graphics in the movie?!

Those were all done on an SGI.  A demo (of the complex layout) is currently
running at our exhibition "The Dinosaurs of Jurassic Park" which also deals
with the scientific accuracies/inaccuracies of the film.

	-Bill Barnett (barnett@amnh.org) (American Museum of Natural History)

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 17:36:54 EDT
From: Mark A. Saper <saper@elmo.biop.umich.edu>
Subject: LW 8.0 and command key shortcuts?

I haven't been keeping up-to-date about all of the LW 8.0 comments, but I've
recently installed the version from ftp.apple.com on both a Centris 650/LWIINT
and IIsi/LWNTR.  Some things have gone backwards.  Bringing up the print
dialog
box is significantly slower.  Secondly there is no command key to select
manual
printing.  Yes, I'm lazy.  I'd rather use a key rather than the mouse any
day.
There is a command key to select File or Printer.  Any suggestions how to deal
with this?

Thanks
Dr. Mark A. Saper                                      saper@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 10:29:14 -0400
From: "Larry J. Blunk" <ljb@merit.edu>
Subject: MacPPP v1.1.1

> Has anyone compiled the sources using ThinkC v6? I get "out of memory"
> at the link stage. I've tried increasing the partition for the project
> manager but that doesn't seem to help.
>
> George
> --


  I haven't gotten Think C 6.0 yet, so I haven't been able to try
it personally.  I haven't had any reports of anyone else trying it
either.  I'm not sure why it would get an "out of memory" error.
It's not that big of a project.

 -Larry

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 10:43:27 +0000
From: Graham Allsopp <G.Allsopp@Sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: MacTCP 1.1.1

>You *must* use MacTCP 1.1.1 with System 7.x

MacTCP 1.1 works fine with System 7.1 on our LCII

Graham

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 3:27:46 PDT
From: Brian R. Gaeke <brg@CERF.NET>
Subject: Microsoft focus (C)

>>you can see for yourself that the current Microsoft programs are dogs
>>on low-end hardware
>
>Personally, I don't find Word 5.1 uncomfortably slow on a Mac II/LC.
>Slow it is, but not much slower than other software.

I have used Word 5.1a on a Classic--it's really not that bad. Considering
that Classics run just about everything at some degree of slowness, that
is.

However, '030 and '040 machines definitely help Microsoft's products.

>>My conclusion (just to stick with the thread): Buy what you want to
>>buy, but examine Microsoft's products and the competition carefully.
>
>I regard this as a fair paraphrasing of my conclusions.  I think the notion
>of boycotting Microsoft because they allegedly don't know how to write some
>decent software is pure wishful thinking.  Notice how much whining follows
>every time someone points out a flaw or shortcoming in soAnd when someone
>claims that _unreleased_ MS stuff is flawed, people immediately jump onto
>the claim as proof of their own preconceptions, no matter how tenuous the
>evidence.

Microsoft has been churning out powerful, easy-to-use software for the Mac
since (1984? 5?) and until I find that the competition is way ahead of
MS, I think I will stick with them.

People, I have noticed, tend to jump on Microsoft too much. Just because
they spawned MS-DOS and Windows doesn't mean that they are Evil.

--
Brian Gaeke, The Dimensional Gate Company   Internet E-Mail: brg@cerf.net

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:10:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: MUENCH@SERVAX.FIU.EDU (FIRST CLASS EMAIL)
Subject: PageMaker4.2 timesaving tip

If you use PM4.2 lots, this tip will certainly make your day!
You can toggle between the pointer tool (the arrow) and any other tool you
used LAST by holding down the COMMAND key and pressing the SPACE BAR to
toggle you from the text tool to the pointer.  This is great if you have a
large screen and hate to schlepp up to the darn tool box just to position
that little bit of text you just set.
--Luis

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 01:41:33 EDT
From: ac303@freenet.buffalo.edu (Robert E. Winston)
Subject: Pecking order of the current macs (A)

 > Does anyone have a list of what macs are available, and how
 > they compare to each other?  I'm interested in what chip is
 > used for the CPU, clock speed, how many expansion slots, the
 > maximum amount of memory that can be plugged in, other
 > features of the machine, and ballpark price. How do the new
 > machines due out (high-end and low-end Cyclone, Tempest, and
 > RISC based PowerPC 601) fit into the picture?

In the Info-mac/info/hdwr/ directory at Sumex:

/info/hdwr/mac-ibm-compare-184.txt
/info/hdwr/mac-model-list-93-03.txt
/info/hdwr/mac-types-6a.tx
/info/hdwr/mac-video-chart.hqx

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 14:30:36 CEST
From: Carlo Viviani <MC3687@mclink.it>
Subject: Photoshop & Photo Cd

Hi everybody,

does anyboty on the net know the name and the directory where it's stored
the Photoshop plug-in that allows to import Photo-CD files? I know it's on
ftp.adobe.com, but I don't know exactly where and its name.
Thanks,

Carlo

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 15:09:50 -0400
From: David P. Rea <reada@media.mit.edu>
Subject: PixMap help...

Hello...

I've got a Mac programming problem and someone suggested I send some email
here, so here goes:

I've written a Mandelbrot program using Think C, and of course every time I
need to update my window (from covering it up or something) I don't really
want to redraw it, so whenever my window get a deactivate message, I do a
CopyBits and buffer the whole thing.  Then, when I do an update, I just copy
it back again.  I specifically do not want to do the drawing to the GWorld
and CopyBits to the window, because I want the user to see the image emerge,
and doing a CopyBits for each change would be too slow.

Here's the problem.  I'm doing it in gray scale (I have a PowerBook), but
when I update, the grays all change to different shades in the updated
regions.
My plugging in an external monitor, I finally figured out what was happening;
somehow the GWorld was turning my grays into colors, either when I did a
save CopyBits or a restore CopyBits (or both??).  Nobody seems to know what
is happening.

Any suggestions?

-- David Rea
reada@media.mit.edu

(By the way, I'm not on the info-mac mailing list, so if anyone could respond
to me directly I would greatly appreciate it.  Also, I'm totally new to Mac
programming and to C, so please don't make any assumptions about my technical
competence, unless they're really abysmmal assumptions).

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 10:53:14 -0400
From: "Larry J. Blunk" <ljb@merit.edu>
Subject: PostScript docs

   The PostScript version of the documentation for MacPPP
has been fixed and placed back on merit.edu.  It is
available as macppp.ps.Z and macppp.ps.hqx.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 10:35:24 -0600
From: johna@utmdacc.mda.uth.tmc.edu (John Antolak)
Subject: Powerbook 145b (a)

>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 09:41:28 -0500 (EST)
>From: 00bkpickeril@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
>Subject: Powerbook 145b (a)
>
>ABRODY@VAX.CLARKU.EDU asks:
>>What is the difference between the 145 and the 145b Powerbooks, i.e.
>>speed grayscale etc...?
>>I haven't seen any publication yet mentioning the 145b other than the
>>advertisements in local newspapers.
>
>The only difference is that apple is not including the external
>microphone and the system software.  Sounds like a great deal IMHO.
>(Macweek 6.07.93)

The 4MB Powerbook 145B (yes, uppercase) also has 4MB of memory soldered to
the memory daughterboard (rather than 2MB plus 2MB expansion card in the
145), which means that you don't have to waste a 2MB memory board if you
decide to upgrade the memory. If I remember right, MacWorld said that the
system disks were on option, if the user really wanted the disks. A simple
backup program is included for the user to back up the system to floppy
after purchase. The rationale is that most users would be purchasing the
145B as a second Mac, and probably could do without the system disks.

MacWorld's review was also fairly favorable, especially considering the
price.

John A. Antolak           Internet: johna@utmdacc.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Radiation Physics
UT MD Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 11:30:53 -0500 (EST)
From: 00bkpickeril@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: PowerBook 145B (a)

>>>ABRODY@VAX.CLARKU.EDU asks:
>>>What is the difference between the 145 and the 145b Powerbooks, i.e.
>>>speed grayscale etc...?
>>>I haven't seen any publication yet mentioning the 145b other than the
>>>advertisements in local newspapers.
>>
>>The only difference is that apple is not including the external
>>microphone and the system software.  Sounds like a great deal IMHO.
>>(Macweek 6.07.93)

John A. Antolak said
>The 4MB Powerbook 145B (yes, uppercase) also has 4MB of memory soldered to
>the memory daughterboard (rather than 2MB plus 2MB expansion card in the
>145), which means that you don't have to waste a 2MB memory board if you
>decide to upgrade the memory. If I remember right, MacWorld said that the
>system disks were on option, if the user really wanted the disks. A simple
>backup program is included for the user to back up the system to floppy
>after purchase. The rationale is that most users would be purchasing the
>145B as a second Mac, and probably could do without the system disks.
>MacWorld's review was also fairly favorable, especially considering the
>price.

Right.  That is an important difference--read it earlier but in my haste
to reply, I forgot all about it.   The MacWeek article also mentions
that some 3rd party PB145 RAM cards may have to be "reworked" to fit the
PB145B.

--Brian Pickerill  <00bkpickeril@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu>

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Date: 30 Jun 1993 09:29:53 -0500
From: "Scott Bresnahan" <scott_bresnahan@terc.edu>
Subject: Re-Installing MacTCP (Q)

		      Re-Installing MacTCP (Q)
What is the minimum work necessary to install a new version of MacTCP in a
computer?

The problem: we are changing our IP subnet mask.  I'd like to simply hand out
correct copies of MacTCP.  Unfortunately, just putting the new file into your
system folder and restarting doesn't seem to do the trick.  I've determined
that if you restart with INITs off, trash MacTCP DNR, MacTCP Prep, and MacTCP,
and THEN drag the new MacTCP in and restart, it seems to do the right thing.
Is it really necessary to do all that, or can I get away with less?

Please reply directly to me.

Thanks.

--Scott
  TERC

  Internet:  Scott_Bresnahan@terc.edu

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 12:50:27 -0400
From: "Keith E Gatling" <kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Riccardo Ettore

Does anyone know how I can contact Riccardo Ettore, author of Sound Manager
Package, over the Internet?  I have a question for him about volume prices,
but suspect that snail mail to Belgium might take a bit too long.  The READ
ME file for SMP gave addresses at CompuServ and AOL, but I have no idea how
to get there from here.

Can anyone help me?

keg

* kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu   I've got plenty of opinions.  Just ask my wife! *

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:35:44 -0800
From: bylsma@unixg.ubc.ca (Dieder B.)
Subject: Snippet from usenet re: Centris and Quadra 'av'

>
>Tue Jun 15 20:06:19 1993
>Message : #7301993    From: Brian Kendig
>Address : bskendig@netcom.com
>Group   : Usenet.comp.sys.mac.announce
>Subject : Preview info about the Centris 660av and the Quadra 840av
>
>Msg-ID: <bskendigC8oK8E.Ms1@netcom.com>
>Posted: 15 Jun 1993 16:02:24 -05
>
>Org.  : Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
>
>
>MacWeek (14 June 1993) has some specific preview information about two
>new Macs due out in September.  They're powerful stuff!  Keep in mind
>that this information is by no means definite, except in that it's
>definitely subject to change.  And it's not official, either;
>everything here could be wrong.  That having been said...
>
>Both new systems will include built-in digital video (in/out 16-bit
>color, NTSC, and PAL, as either composite or S-video) and 32-bit
>digital signal processors (AT&T 3210 DSP, for voice recognition /
>synthesis and 16-bit sound at up to 48kHz sampling).  They also
>include a faster DMA bus architecture and a high-speed serial port
>("GeoPort", which can use the DSP to emulate a 14.4Kbps modem).  They
>will come with Ethernet and offer optional CD-ROM drives and 500Mb
>hard drives.  They use 2Mb ROMs, and will include Casper voice recognition.
>
>The Macintosh Centris 660av ("Tempest") looks like a Centris 610.
>It's also built like a 610 inside: it will offer one 7-inch NuBus slot
>(that requires an adapter card), space for two internal SCSI drives,
>and 4Mb memory (expandable to 68Mb).  It will also use a 68LC040
>processor (the '040 without its built-in math coprocessor, like the
>610), but it will run at 25MHz (the 610 is 20MHz).  Prices for a 660av
>with an 80Mb hard drive will probably start at $2,300.
>
>The Macintosh Quadra 840av ("Cyclone") looks like a Quadra 800.  It
>will run on a 40-MHz 68040, offer three NuBus slots, and hold three
>SCSI devices internally.  Its base configuration will have 8Mb memory
>(using 60ns chips; expandable to 128Mb) and a 230Mb hard drive.  Its
>VRAM can be upgraded to 2Mb for 24-bit color on a 21" monitor.  Its
>base configuration will probably start at $4,200.
>
>I don't know any more about these systems than what's here, so please
>don't email me asking for more information!
>
>--
>_/_/_/  Brian Kendig                             Je ne suis fait comme aucun
>/_/_/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
>_/_/                            n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui
existent.
>  /  The meaning of life     Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis
autre.
> /    is that it ends.                                           -- Rousseau
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 00:16 EST
From: DON'T PANIC <ABRODY@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: Thank you - Powerbook 145b (As)

Dear Netters,
Thanks to all that responded.  Apparently the 145b is a "stripped down" 145,
only to the extent of no Microphone, and "No Internal System Software?"??
Hope this helps, anyone else looking for an answer.
Sincerely,
ABRODY@VAX.CLARKU.EDU

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 10:23:37 EDT
From: "Mel Martinez"  <mem@JHUFOS.pha.jhu.edu>
Subject: That D**m MS Word again...(gripe)

Ok, I realize that the subject is kinda strong but I am pretty irritated about
this at the moment.

Although I have a specific instance of the following problem in mind (the
Eudora distribution), the problem occurs often enough to warrant a general
appeal.

My appeal:

To posters of documents to archive sites, whether they are reports, essays,
MANUALS, or whatever, PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PUH - LEEEZZE  do NOT distribute
documents in MicroSoft Word FAST SAVE format!!!!

Not only is this format a stupid, innefficient (as far as space savings) and
dangerous way to save data in, it is also nearly impossible for other word
processors to read in.

Please note, I do not want to flame the people who post these files as they
are generally doing a service by posting them.  The problem really is that
MicroSoft even makes use of this awful format and THEN to make it worse makes
it the DEFAULT save format!

Please, before you post a file for general distribution to the net, make sure
at a minimum that you convert it to normal MS WORD format.  Even better, use
MicroSoft's RTF format as this is actually one of the better, more
transportable formats around.  Even better, though not space efficient
include a plain-text format version or just use plain text in the first place,
if graphics and fonts are not really necessary.

Please, show some awareness that others do not use MicroSoft products.

Note #1 - You will doing YOURSELF a favor by permanently turning 'Fast Save'
OFF as it is not a very secure way of saving data (It is very hard, if not
impossible, to recover data from a damaged 'fast-save' file.).  It also uses
more disk space.

Note #2 - If you really need fonts and graphics but want your file to
definitely be readable by anything as text at a minimum, use TeachText format
or Nisus format which both store plain ascii text in the data fork (readable
by ANYTHING) and stick other stuff separately in the resource fork.

Okay, now a request:  Could someone who has the manuals for Eudora v1.3.1
please save them in a readable format and send me a copy?   I would be mucho
grateful!

Thanks,

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics
mem@pha.jhu.edu

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 17:44:15
From: "" <CBDZ06BN%GRTHEUN1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Think twice before buying LaCie.

========================================================================
   I recently bought LaCie's Silverscanner II through mail order (Airborne
Express delivered) to use with my Mac and I have to say I am mostly unhappy
with that "company".
  Namely, a couple of days after placing the order (June 24) I called them
  long
distance (international calls from Greece to the US cost approx $2.5 a minute)
to make sure they had shipped.  Well, after letting me wait and wait on the
phone, they came back only to tell me they...didn't know!! The very same thing
happened a few hours later when I called back, but this time they said that
they located my order, the scanner wasn't sent, but they promised they would
send in a week.
   The funniest part is that the scanner had already been sent (!), which
gives me the right not only to assume that chaos dominates in that company,
but also that they are telling lies to customers, since their promise was
exactly that.
   Anyway, after paying another $100 or so over the phone (indeed, if they
want to do international business, shouldn't they ALL get an international
toll-free number, like Citibank Visa does?) the scanner came to me broken
on the cover.  Now, this is probably due to poor handling on the part of
Airborne Express or some idiot in the customs here, looking for drugs or
something in...scanners (!), but I still need to stress the fact that LaCie
REFUSED to have the scanner fixed or even looked at!  Sure it may not be
their fault if the scanner was received damaged, but aren't they responsible
for the courier they use?  Shouldn't they have the merchandise insurred?
Even dealers, like BottomLine and others, take FULL responsibility and they
REPLACE a damaged machine (they even pay for the roundtrip!) and a company
that claims to be big and trustworthy like LaCie doesn't?
   In anyway, it might be better this way...I will give another $1,300 to
buy Hewlett-Packard IIc (which I should have done in the first place...) but
I least I know NEVER to buy anything from LaCie again.  Even the mechanism
is not their's, it is Epson's and if they claim to have the best software
around...guess again: the manual that comes with the scanner is A TOTAL JOKE!
Suffices to say that it devotes 5-6 lines to a topic like color correction
and the advanced controls of the scanner, that are the ones that, above all,
CALL for documentation...!! Yes, of course, they say the owner's guide is
preliminary, but when they will release the new one?  After the scanner is
around for a year or so?  Or maybe they did, but the sent me the old one?
If anybody knows, please let me know... this would DEFINITELY constitute an
illegal act of discrimination against me, and I would know how to proceed
>From that point on, believe me...!

   It must be the first time in my life I see a company with such an
untrustworthy, irresponsible and unproffesional management.
Personally, I will, of course, pursue the matter further, just to make
sure they won't be laughing behind my back with the $2,000 they took away
>From me.  I am a professional and NEEDED this scanner....  International
business is a tough business, and only serious companies, that also use
serious couriers should stay on to compete.  The attitude "you bought
something from me, now get lost" has been rejected long ago, along with the
companies that are based on it.

							  Niko Sahtaridis
						      Thessaloniki, GREECE

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Date: 30 Jun 1993 08:55:49 -0600 (MDT)
From: RITCHIE <RITCHIE@corral.uwyo.edu>
Subject: Where's MacTCP 1.1.1 ?

Greetings from the High Plains,

Can someone please point me at a specific FTP site and directory that contains
MacTCP 1.1.1 ? I have looked around briefly and have had no luck, and my
current system is driving me crazy.

  By the way, I made a query quite a while ago for any other users of TelNet
2.5, an Asante ethernet card, and a VAX mainframe. I have heard nothing from
Asante, except a nice "please be patient while we consider your problem...".
  A systems engr at Apple suggested dumping the network software that came
with the Asante card and using the stuff that came with system 7.0.1 AND
MacTCP 1.1.1.
  A local fellow here suggested upping to 7.1 and MacTCP1.1.1 .
  Either way, all I need now is the MacTCP, though I am marginally confident
that it will solve my constant system crashes.

Thanks in advance  -  Please send info directly to me:

Ritchie Boyd       University of Wyoming - Center for Teaching Excellence
Internet: ritchie@uwyo.edu

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 19:44:56 +0100
From: tsvetkova@news.rferl.org (Alexei Tsvetkov)
Subject: Word 5.1a: problem with styles (A)

giacanelli@vs3te4.bo.infn.it writes:

>When I apply a style on a paragraph in the middle of the document everything
>is OK. When I apply a style on the LAST paragraph of the document two things
>happen:
>
>1) The Mac beeps
>2) A window appears saying "FORMATTING TOO COMPLEX" (translated from italian)
>3) The style is applied on the paragrah anyway.

You may call it a bug or a feature. Word stores all formatting info in the
last paragraph. Unless somebody has a better advice, the way out is to
treat the last paragraph with a special caution.

Alexei Tsvetkov (tsvetkova@rferl.org)
Munich

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Date: 30 Jun 1993 08:40:27 +0100 (MET)
From: EICKHOFF@dornier.de
Subject: XLisp-Stat question

Hi Netters,

According to the online help in the XLISP-Stat Lisp system (recently posted to
the archives) a functionality is provided to call external C or FORTRAN
procedures from within Lisp. From the documentation alone I was not able to
figure out how such call can be achieved.

Does anyone have an example how to call a C or FORTRAN procedure from the
XLISP-
Stat system on the Mac? Alternatively does anybody know how to call XLISP
procedures from a C or FORTRAN program? How is such a coupling created? XLisp
is an interpreted Lisp and a C or Fortran program would be a compiled
routine.

Do I have to get the sourcecode of XLisp, recompile it and link the external C
routines to the XLisp executable?

Thanks for advice

Jens

(eickhoff@fn.dornier.de)

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